Ridgefield American Legion Commander George Besse invoked the words of President Calvin Coolidge in front of the Board of Education Monday night: "The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten."
The board, in its draft of the school calendar for the next three years, planned to have a full day of school on the November 11 holiday to prevent the school year from spilling too far into the month of June and to preserve other holidays during the year.
Several of Ridgefield's veterans groups feel this action is a slight against the honor that day represents.
"Veterans day is a sacred day for all veterans," Besse said.
The sentiment among the several men in attendance at Monday's meeting was that the day should not be considered a day for "business as usual" and that November 11 should be set aside to honor veterans by making it a school holiday.
Several members of the board argued, though, that a day for students to attend school and learn about United States history there rather than at home would be a more apt way to honor the day's meaning.
"The things the kids learn at school can be so much more than what they learn sitting at home," board member Irene Burgess said.
"This is not meant as disrespect," board chair Austin Drukker said. "It seems better to immerse the students on that day as opposed to sitting at home."
Drukker added that, because of the passion shown by the veterans regarding the holiday, the board should consider honoring their wishes -- there will be a vote on February 13 to resolve the issue.
Days the district plans to close the school are Columbus Day and Presidents' Day, both of which were cited as possible alternatives to Veterans Day, as well as the possibility of adding it to the beginning of the school year in August.
In 2011, the district held a half-day of school because of the number of early cancellations due to the storms Irene and Alfred -- the day was originally slated to be a holiday.
The veterans in Ridgefield hold ceremonies in town on Veterans Day and have lent their times to the schools in the past before the day off to talk to students about the meaning of Veterans Day.
"Relegating the holiday to 'business as usual' is to downgrade the holiday," American Legion member George Schuster said. "We hope you will reconsider."
John Symon
1:25 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
I agree. No school on veterans day.
Christine E.
10:04 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
No need to overreact. Wilton has been doing "Bring a Vet to school Day" for the last couple of years, and all i've ever seen is a positive result. Kids are excited to have learned so much from so many wonderful people that have served this country. They're learning directly from the source. They're learning what the day is supposed to represent. That's not something kids learn by being at home and playing video games. I can see your point, but I think it's more of a dishonor to the day when kids have no idea what it means, don't you?
George Corday
11:07 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Honoring our veterans, especially those who gave up their futures so we could have our nice lives in Ridgefield, is a lot more important than honoring Columbus who discovered a country that was already there. Give the kids the day off and get as many of them as possible to attend the ceremony honoring our veterans. That's how they might really learn something.
George Corday
Christine E.
7:49 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Tom,
Are you just incapable of being nice? I wasn't rude to you. Which paid positions in the school system would get overtime for working on veterans day? You said it, now show me....
Luca Duff Cruz
12:39 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
George -
Just to let you know, Memorial Day is the holiday that recognizes those who lost their life in service to our country.
Veterans Day is simply to honor all those who have served in the military.
Its not properly celebrated....so as a Vet myself, I honestly think the idea of having Veterans come in from perhaps more than just one War and speak would be more meaningful and serve a greater purpose than simply having the day off.
I understand the knee jerk reaction--yet the truth is, Memorial Day properly honors our fallen heroes, and Veterans Day would be far more meaningful if people understood what serving in the military was like. In this day and age, I occasionally find anger when I wear my uniform from our liberal friends who seem to feel that if you were in the army you must be a war mongerer. I think some kids have learned from their parents that being in the service is tantamount to being a loser-and not respectable. It would be help kids and maybe teachers (who are also left leaning and anti war) to understand the disciplines and regimen and respect and even the fear that exists when you are in the service.
One thing i'd tell these kids is that the US did not lose the war in Vietnam. In fact, to my knowledge, we never lost one significant battle. After the troops were pulled out, the South Vietnamese essentially folded. its an important fact that I wish kids would be aware of. A veterans day that educated would be more useful.
George Corday
8:37 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Luca,
I understand your point and maybe I got a little carried away, but I do know what the holidays mean. Veteran's day honors all vets, including those who gave their lives. I always remember and honor all our vets, especially the WWII guys who saved our world. We'll never see their like again. I am a non-combat vet of the Korean conflict who always observes both Memorial and Veteran's Days. I just don't think keeping our kids in school on November 11th will teach them anything.
paul d.
9:00 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
@George. I am sorry that you think school teachers are incapable of teaching kids. What percentage of parents do you think are teaching kids about honoring sacrifice and service to one's country on November 11th? i would bet that those same parents do it year round, and don't wait for our annual Veteran's Day to mention it or attend a parade. Sounds like the model they have in Wilton is at least a positive effort that attempts to reach all the students and engages veterans - people who are being honored - in the process. So if the Wilton teachers can't teach them and the vets cannot inspire them, why is sitting at home playing "Call fo Duty: Black Ops" on their xBox the solution?
Christine E.
10:58 am on Thursday, January 26, 2012
George,
I most certainly thank you for your service. I had the privilidge of being raised in a family with many Veteran's; My father, both grandfathers, both great grandfathers...my still living, WWII Vet Great Great Uncle who is 95 years of age, and still refuses to talk about the war. These are the people who taught me about the respect, the honor, and the value...these are the people who taught me to be grateful for all that I have, because of people like you, who served to protect this country. Not everyone knows a Veteran. Not everyone is raised with those values. Not everyone understands. Parents who were not raised that way, certainly aren't raising their children that way, either. If you go up to a child of 7 years old, and ask them what a "veteran" is, they possibly would not be able to tell you, because their perception of it is fuzzy. Seeing a Veteran in front of you, teaching you, talking to you, explaining to you the importance of the day...that's what has an impact. Taking a child to a ceremony is great...but unless they truly understand why they're there, it isn't going to teach them much of anything.
Luca Duff Cruz
12:06 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
I suggested last night that honoring our Veterans was not necessary to take the day off. I did that in order to hopefully soften the tone.
Now I see that those who support Veterans day being off are ridiculing (paul d) those who want the day to remain a school holiday.
So I ask them (paul d) do you honestly think that labor day is spent by kids paying some sort of homage to our nations workers? Or playing X box? How about Thanksgiving? Remembering our settlers and the peace offering? Or football and video games? How about MLK day? A day spent reflecting on the civil rights struggle? Or video games? How about any holiday Paul?
Your attempt to ridicule those who decide its a holiday worth preserving is not thought out or necessarily sensitive. The way you argue is to put the other person down. You want 5 mio for the library so you decide that the other people need to be portrayed as selfish or unappreciative or disrespectful to a particular demographic.
How about enumerating what it is you think will work, rather than work in the space that involves ridicule ? Tell me why the library needs the 5 mio (what facets of the plan will suffer if only 15 mio gets spent) rather than tell people they need to agree with no argument other than to humiliate and criticize. Are you capable of that?
What did you and your kid do on MLK day Paul? Go skiing in King's honor? or see Mission Impossible? Come on...
paul d.
12:25 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Joyce (luca), I doubt you read very carefully. To others, I am sorry that this is redundant.
1. I don't think kids consistently (or ever) are taught to understand the reasons we have holidays, including Veterans Day.
2. I don't ridicule people who think Veterans Day is worth preserving. I suggest they have a better chance of understanding the meaning and value in school rather than at home. This fact is particularly acute in families in the economic group (DRG A) whose children volunteer for the military at a much lower rate than other socio economic groups and are therefore less likely to know someone who is serving or who has served since 1974.
3. What does this have to do with the library expansion?
4. I don't think we should have MLK day as a national holiday; I don't think we should have a "Presidents Day", but I do think all students should have a required course (as they do) in Government, Civics, and Civil Rights (they don't).
5. Haven't seen the new MI. You?
6. And I will add, it is comical that you pretend you are a man with your online personality "Luca" or are you "Steve" today. Maybe "Chaz" someday!
Luca Duff Cruz
8:40 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Paul--
Its an awesome point to try to accuse me of being other people. You appeared out of nowhere and suddenly are aware of all the accusations. care to explain? I asked you how does someone know that you are Paul D? you went silent on that? you know why? because between the 2 of us, only one is honest, and it certainly isnt you.
But lets go over your statement:
1) " I dont think that kids..are taught to understand the holidays including Veterans day. An interesting statement given that you also said "George. I am sorry that you think school teachers are incapable of teaching kids." And then argue that kids should go to school. So lets recap --you dont think they learn. But then you chastise someone else for saying the same thing. And now you want kids in school -because you dont have faith in learning in school. Brilliant.
2)"This fact is particularly acute ... (facts are not acute --just to let you know..as you correct people all the time ....) Your statement has immeasurable disrespect in addition to ignorance attached to it. You are saying that Veterans and those who serve are poor? Or are destined to be poor? While those who currently enlist are of slightly lower economic status --veterans are far more likely to end up finacially successful than non military people.
paul d.
9:16 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Why I am doing this Joyce, I have no idea but here goes-
1. http://www.defense.gov/news/Dec2005/d20051213mythfact.pdf - see page 2 on socioeconomics in the military. Before you spout off, recognize Fairfield County towns such as Darien, Ridgefield, and New Canaan have some of the highest average incomes by zip code in the country.
2. I don't think kids are taught to understand holidays because it is not part of the curriculum. Not because teachers can't teach.
3. "Acute" is an adjective meaning sharp or severe in effect. I would think you would agree that having military personnel in your family is likely to increase the effect as so many young men and women have been killed over the last 10 years.
4. I want the local BOE to set the dates off, not the federal government.
5. A friend who is on this site recognized "Paul D" -my name- and sent me an email to my personal address asking if it was me. I said yes. He then informed me of your nonsense, including calling yourself "Luca" When your real name is Joyce and you live in Darien.
5. Rell was vetoed many times. I apologize with all my might to all the people whose lives and decisions were affected. Did you apologize to everyone for your errors?
Luca Duff Cruz
11:32 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
Paul D. (apparently the only Paul D. in Fairfield County. Sure man....why dont you sign your name if you are so easily recognizable. here is what happenned--you saw someone accuse me of being Joyce and someone else of being Steven. you have been on patch for some time, but change your name when you get caught in whatever it is you decide you no longer want to be associated with. There are most like 1000 people with Paul D that might post, so your theory is beyond preposterous.
I 'spout off' only when I have facts. Your expose -which you no doubt did as much reseearch as possible to obtain-still only says that the vast majority of servicemen are middle class. At least 2 things that render your assertion patently false 1) Darien New Canaan Ridgefield you correctly point out have high income earners. But in your myopia you somehow conclude that having a town of high earners means there are no middle class in any of those towns? Thats simply STUPID. 2) your report is from 2005 which prior to your awesome link--I already said "todays recruits are from slightly lower economic stature (you accused me of not reading--how about you?) but that Veterans are not just from the Iraq war, "Paul"--they are from World War 2 Korea Vietnam Grenada and every peacetime in between. There are ample Veterans in each of the towns you list... care to retract?
Luca Duff Cruz
11:43 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
Facts cannot be acute. But lets use your type of vernacular for a second and describe your types of facts as dull facts. Facts that are not very well honed.
I will ask the BOE or the School system, or perhaps someone here can tell me if teachers ever teach outside the curriculum? When the Hurricane Irene hit, were the teachers forbidden to talk about the effects? Paul, your assertion that kids are never taught about various holidays because its not on the curriculum is a very clever way to elude your point about kids being taught. Too bad, that teachers are not restricted to only subjects on the curriculum. Just another dull fact of yours.
Im fascinated though by why you want to establish that i am other people. If I am Steve and Jpyce and Chaz -then why havent I seen them in months?
Why dont I need to have them agree, as you theorize with me now? And more importantly, (and I cant remember in full) I dont think they agreed with me ever. My recollection is that Joyce was calling for an end to the Darien "shuffle". She said it was too expensive. Whiile I argued fervently for the senior citizens of Darien to go forward with the shuffle. If Im both Joyce and Luca-then why would I take polar opposite view of the issue that I felt strongly about? It makes very little sense what you are saying. But go ahead---explain the twisted logic that you imagine.
Maybe next I can say I am for affordable housing-and then invent someone who says I am against it. Why?
Luca Duff Cruz
11:53 pm on Friday, January 27, 2012
Paul
yes-when Im wrong I say Im wrong.
I dont do the disingenous "immmmmm wrrrronng " because I dont consider it a threat to my manhood to be wrong.
Evidence was when you told me there was no supermajority. I said I stand corrected, but that prior to the last elections-there was a supermajority.
it didnt hurt.
In terms of your ridicule-- I just have to read any post of yours. I just got home from a movie--so Ill go over them as you post and just point out-that your style is to ridicule.
If you dont want to admit to it --then I take it you are not proud. So , my suggestion is to actually use your brain and try to debate .
You were able to post a link-- thats a start. It was very limited as it only referred to the current military--but if you look hard you will find that in general veterans are far more successful than non veterans. Its stands to reason. We learn respsect, discipline and we are taught a work ethic that stays with you.
Im guessing Paul, that you never served our country. Never considered it for that matter. And that is your right. But Im also guessing that you have strong opinions on the validity of defense and military spending.
Just a quick anecdote--check out why the falkland islands were attacked by argentina. the answer is, england imposed austerity measures that severely weakened its presence in that region. The Argintines saw the weakness and attacked--costing the Brits hundreds times more and lives. Be careful.
ali
4:08 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
Perhaps we should learn something from the Veterans, its called respect, unlike some of the comments. People should be able to post a comment, without being ripped appart. shameful!!
S
4:59 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
If all schools could agree to have the day focussed on the Vets, I would say let them be in school. I have attended my Childs vet day assembly and I can tell you that there is nothing more moving. The pride these men/women when they are on stage is amazing. The poetry and artwork the children produce for the day is just as amazing.
I believe that the children will get more of the meaning of Veterans Day if they were in school and the day is revolved around the true meaning of the day
Amer
5:29 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
No disrespect to the Vets, but we need kids to be in school. Not all Ridgefield schools have a Vet assembly. Maybe that's the compromise, to have Vets come and speak on V day at all schools.
On similar topic, I think we shouldn't turn on Feb vacation again. We paid for schools and teachers. Keep the kids in the classrooms learning. School isn't suppose to be filler time between your December and February ski vacations. School is suppose to be the main event.
paul d.
8:51 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Teachers and students are in school the same number of days regardless of vacations or holidays. Fewer vacations in the school calendar means they could start later in August or end in June earlier. Makes no difference.
The arguments tend to be 3 - 1. start earlier in August so that AP classes in the HS have optimum time for instruction before the tests... also, at RHS they have senior internships at the end of the year; also buildings aren't AC'ed and if you have been in a school in June that does not have it, you would vote for this. 2. Keep the Feb vacation, it is the week most likely to have snow days anyway, and with Monday off for P-Day, you get one free. 3. Lose Feb vacation because of its proximity to state testing in March. The week off affects testing prep.
Hope that helps. :)
Amer
12:02 am on Saturday, January 28, 2012
I disagree that vaca or no vaca makes no difference. Talk to the teachers. They say all these vacations are is too disruptive to the learning process. Christmas break throws the kids off. It takes them a while to readjust and get in the mode. Then Feb break happens and ooops, they loose their thoughts again. Takes a while to get back on track and along comes April break. Too much. You need contiguous learning time, not disjointed time.
Try reading a book, not by sitting down for one block of 60 minutes over the next two hours, but instead by reading for one minute at a time, alternating every other minute. It's a mess.
Bosco
6:07 pm on Thursday, January 26, 2012
I understand what you and the other Vets are saying Tom, but as it currently stands, I think the Vet appreciation offered by the schools is abysmal. You know what kids today think Veteran's Day is all about these days? Mattress sales. "Buy a new mattress and get 50% off on a box spring." This is somehow honoring the Vets? Gah!
I think it would be a step up to have the kids go to school and have a more rigorous and meaningful assembly under the leadership of the Vets.
Luca Duff Cruz
9:06 am on Friday, January 27, 2012
Looks like tom got booted.
The army guy-who didnt know that semper fi was a Marine motto.
Either that, or he erased his posts after showing once again how he got caught.
So i deleted my posts about that subject.